Al Carroll

APACHE PRESENTATION

My name is Al Carroll. I´m Mescalero Apache (in our own language, Ndeh),
Mexican, and Irish. I´m a Teaching Associate (meaning I teach and am also
in the last stages of the PhD program as a Graduate Student) in the History
Department at Arizona State University in Tempe, Arizona, in the southwest
part of the US. I´ve also been a Research Editor for the H-AmIndian academic
listserv, a Research Assistant at the Labriola American Indian Research Center,
and a Teaching Assistant at both Arizona State and Purdue University. Apaches
are probably best known as virtually the last Natives to war with the US
government. Goyathlay, better known as Geronimo, was the most famous Apache
warrior, and his descendants live today on the Mescalero reservation. It would
probably surprise most people to know that the Mescalero nation is fairly
prosperous, with a thriving lumber trade, ski resort, and sadly from my point
of a view, a nuclear waste dump/storage facility operating on the reservation.
Many other things about us might surprise outsiders. The most popular Apache
performing artists are Indian rappers such as Rolling Fox and Btaka, or blues/
traditional singers such as A Carlos Ortega. The most popular visual artist
Apaches have, Fritz Scholder, uses an Impressionist style of painting, even
while using Native themes.

I´ve been fortunate to have learned from and been trained by some very respected
scholars, including Peter Iverson, Donald Parman, Robert Trennert, Donna Akers
(Choctaw), Angela Cavendar-Wilson (Dakota), and to be part of an institution
respected by both the academic community and the Native communities it strives
very hard to serve. We have many fine scholars here who are from the Navajo,
Kiowa, Comanche, Seminole, and Apache nation
s.

Before I was in academia, I spent most of my adult life working very menial and
low-paying jobs, landscaping, factory work, security guard, delivery driver, and
janitorial work. There were also long periods where I was unemployed and at times
homeless, living on the actual streets or in abandoned buildings and selling my
blood plasma for money for food. Like many Natives, I joined the military, the US
Army. Virtually all the males in my family were veterans, of Vietnam, Korea, and
both World Wars. By incredible luck, I was discharged only six days before Kuwait
was invaded. My old unit, the 217th Evacuation Hospital, was on standby during
the entire Gulf War. My nephew and one cousin served, and many of my friends and
acquaintances were also in the service. Some still are. I talk about all of this
as a way of trying to give you some idea of what Natives truly are like in these
times, not some great ultra-mystical fantasy that many outsiders seem to think,
but as real flesh and blood people with very immediate, even mundane, ways of
living that are probably not too different than your own. For me, my time in the
service stimulated my interest in writing my dissertation about Native veterans
and the reasons why we are in the military in such high numbers. I was interested
in how Native warrior traditions have been transformed into veteran/military
traditions. But from need to do research came a great deal of frustration once I
got a look at all the sources out there, especially on the internet.

You see, the great majority of sources out there on Native people are not accurate
or truthful. Many of the older historical sources were blatantly racist and stereo-
typical. The historian´s profession has made great strides, and that is often no
longer the case today. Today, the number one source of lies and racist fantasies
about Native people is the New Age/Shamanism movement, more accurately and humorously
called Nuage, plastic shaman, or pseudo-shamans by Native peoples.

I co-founded New Age Frauds Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) about four years ago. We research
and put out warnings to the general public about the frauds, imposters, exploiters,
and abusers out there who misrepresent themselves as Native medicine people or healers
for profit, power, ego, and sex. We presently have over 130 members from all over the
US and Canada from over a dozen tribes, such as Anishnaabe, Apache, Cherokee, Lakota,
Menominee, Muscogee, O_odham, Pima, and even Maori from New Zealand, as well as non-
Native supporters in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Russia, and
Sweden. Our members are traditionalists, Christians, pagans, atheists, Native, Black,
white, you name it.

I´m pleased to note all our successes over the years. So many people have had kind
comments about how we´ve helped them. So many of the exploiters have also had less
than kind words about us, and I take that as a mark of success too. We get threats
from them sometimes on a daily basis, everything from empty claims they will take
legal action to sue, to harassment, even sometimes threats of violence or death threats.
(Keep this in mind if you still have an image in your head of Nuage people as silly but
harmless.) We have emerged from all attempts to intimidate us or shut us down stronger
than ever.

But we couldn´t succeed without the help of others. If you or anyone you know get involved
with these exploiters, if you feel trapped or abused by them, or simply if you are curious
about someone who is making claims, please contact or come join us at NAFPS.

TEACHING COLLEGE

I've had a really great week teaching college for the first time. My classes are first
semester freshmen American History, about 60 students each. Most of them had never been
in college before. One class was apparently made up mostly of students in their first
college class period. We'll be doing a lot more pre Columbian work than they've ever
had before. We are scheduled to only get to Columbus right before the mid term. And a
big part of this has been teaching them how to separate the good websites from all the
garbage ones. Their second assignment was to look at one of five spot-the-fraud sites.
And they responded really well, virtually all of them. Most of the comments I've gotten
have been glowing, "this site was eye opening", "I never realized this was such a problem",
"if I were Native I think I'd be just as angry and frustrated as they are" and so on.

Out of 120+ students I've gotten a grand total of one negative reaction, and it was about
the "tone" of the Cherokee elders site. But to her credit, she (like all of them) are
grappling pretty hard with issues most of them have never faced before.

WOULD YOU BUY A PLASTIC EUCHARIST FROM THIS MAN?

When curiousity about Natives turns to abuse

Do you think you are "Indian at heart" or were an Indian in a past life? Do you admire
native ways and want to incorporate them into your life and do your own version of a
sweat lodge or a vision quest? Have you seen ads, books, and websites that offer to
train you to be come a shaman in an easy number of steps, a few days on the weekend,
or for a fee?

Have you really thought this all the way through? Have you thought about how Native
people feel about what you might want to do?

Please think about these important points before you take that fateful step and
expend time, money, and emotional investment:

1. Native people do not believe it is ethical to charge money for any ceremony or
teaching. Any who charge you even a penny are not authentic.

2. Native traditionalists believe the only acceptable way to transmit traditional
teachings is orally and face-to-face. Any allegedly traditional teachings in books
or on websites are not authentic.

3. Learning medicine ways takes decades and must be done with great caution and
patience out of respect for the sacred. Any offer to teach you all you need to know
in a weekend seminar or two is wishful thinking at best, fraud at worst.

Women should be extremely wary of any " teacher" who claims sex is part of an alleged
"ceremony." Most of these fraudulent operators have been caught making complete
fantasies of what many whites wish Natives were like. Another way to say it is that
they are outright liars and hoaxers.

You probably are asking yourself, "Aren't any of these people for real and a good
way for me to learn?"

Please understand the following points about Native spiritual ways:

1. Native belief systems are communal, not focused on the individual's faith like
Christianity.

2. Native beliefs are tribal-specific. There is no "generic Indian" form of
spirituality. There are as many differences from tribe to tribe as there are
between Hinduism and the Church of England. No one would think of teaching those
two as the same and calling them "Indo-European," yet many of these fraudulent
operators teach a thrown together mishmash of bits and pieces of different beliefs.

3. Traditional elders are very cautious about changing rituals and mixing different
customs, it does happen, of course, but only after lengthy discussions that can take
decades. Fraudulent operators are very casual and haphazard in what they do, in a
manner that shows they have no understanding of or respect for the sacred.

4. Traditional elders do not believe that any ceremony can be done by anyone who
feels like it. It's that same caution and respect for the sacred. Yet these fraudulent
operators will let anyone do their inaccurate version of a ceremony if they have the
money.

Vision quests, for example, are intended for young boys age 12 to 14, but boys don't have
much money, so these fraudulent operators sell "quests" for hundreds or thousands to mostly
middle-aged men and women.

There is also the matter of telling people they can be “Indian shamans” and charging them
for it. If you were interested in Judaism, would you pay money to someone who said he could
make you a rabbi in just one weekend seminar? If someone did this and then claimed Jewish
objections were foolish, we would recognize he was being anti-Semitic. Think about the lack
of respect these operators show to native people and beliefs, not mention their own followers,
by defrauding people. Native people do not use the label Shaman. Think about how it makes it
harder for Natives and whites to get along when whites have been given an untrue picture of
native cultures. We have to learn to get along and we can't do that as long as whites give
support to operators who push a fraudulent version of what we are like.

We (Native people and our supporters) realize that most of you do not know any better, at
least not yet, but we hope you learn about these matters from more reputable sources and in
a more respectful manner. If it says New Age or Shamanism on the cover, it's not a good
source for learning about Natives. Find out which authors can be trusted before you pay money
to operators who harm us all.

The Dangers of Phony Sweatlodges Done by Nuage/Pseudo-Shamans One of the most common
Native ceremonies exploited, commercialized, bastardized, and sold for profit by Nuage
and pseudo-shaman people is the sweatlodge. It is not hard to see why. A number of
exploitative books, websites, and operators have long been around alleging to teach
how to teach or take part in a sweatlodge. It looks deceptively easy.

Many pagans from European backgrounds are trying to recreate their traditions, not an
easy thing to do when any written records were lost long ago, or when the last actual
followers of some pagan beliefs died off or went into hiding many centuries. The cere-
mony also appeals to drug users who hope to recreate a trancelike state without the
legal and addictive dangers of actual drugs. Finally, the ceremony seems like a quick
fix and a way to appeal to romantic stereotypes of what some outsiders fantasize Natives
to be. But the physical and psychological dangers are very real, and not nearly as well
known as the hype most exploiters use to promote their fake versions of the sweatlodge.
The damage outsiders do to Native peoples and beliefs also far outweigh any alleged
benefits to people who pay for sweatlodges. Frankly, most Natives are greatly offended
by such crass, disrespectful, and ignorant use and exploitation of the sweatlodge. If
you have the opportunity to take part in a phony sweatlodge, please consider these
points very carefully first:

5) It is also unfortunately quite common for operators of pseudo-sweatlodges to try to
seduce, molest, or even outright rape women, men, even young children. The heat of a
sweatlodge is very intense and it is quite easy to faint. The altered mental state also
makes someone quite vulnerable to not knowing what is going on around them. Women should
never, under any circumstances, trust any operator who insists on sweatlodges in the
nude. Women should also never, under any circumstances, trust any operator who tries to
get them to take part in a sweatlodge alone with the operator.

6) Many of these operators are frankly trying for as intense a drug-like experience as
possible. This means they try to raise the heat to much higher and more intense than it
would for an actual legitimate sweatlodge, or sweat for much longer periods. This is
where most of the deaths, injuries, blindings, and scarrings occur. Many of these operators
also insists on using drugs or alcohol during sweatlodges. The physical and psychological
dangers of this should be obvious. Another danger is which rocks to use. Sedimentary rock
can explode in these cases.

7) Even in the rare cases where these exploiters are not physically or harming people,
what they are doing is very offensive to the religious sensibilities of Native people.
The sweatlodge should not be commercialized, bought and sold, or used to build a cult-like
following.

8) Some pagans falsely think the sweatlodge was also used by Europeans in the ancient past.
This is not true. Europeans used (and still do) saunas. These had no religious meaning or
ritual component. If you are a pagan, we hope you will be cautious and avoid being exploited
by these operators. We also hope you will have enough respect for Native people to leave our
traditions alone.

If you encounter these phony pseudo-sweatlodges, please:

Do not take part or give them any money.
Warn others what you have read here.
Ask questions about the safety of the pseudo-sweatlodges. If you think they are dangerous,
ask the police or health authorities to intervene. Lives may be at stake.

If they misrepresent themselves, report these operators to the police for fraud.

Ceremonial Language

Ceremonies are always conducted in the language of the tribe. Some tribes have very
complex ceremonial languages that are only known to certain elders. Some of the simpler
things, like blessings or prayers, can be said in English. A blessing in an intertribal
context, like a powwow, is often said in English. But if someone claiming to be a medicine
man, shaman, elder, etc, does not know the Native language of the tribe extremely well,
and does not conduct every ceremony besides the simplest blessings in that language, then
they are a fake. This also holds true for every white would be shaman who claims they got
a vision, had a dream, or are the reincarnation of so and so. Immediately put them to the
test and get them to speak in an indigenous language. There are many subtleties to sacred
words and formulas that just do not translate well into English or any other Indo-European
language. Much of the meaning would be lost, and this would be contrary to the way Native
traditions generally stress great care when doing ceremony. For example, many Native
languages are verb-based while Indo-European ones are noun-based. Many Native languages
are aggluttative, meaning one can keep on adding parts to a word. (Thus those seemingly
very long Native names that are just one or two words in their Native tongue.)

Native Spokesman

Most tribes frankly don't have the money or other resources to have a paid tribal spokesman.
If you looked at a tribal government organization chart, you would see not these very high
sounding ultra-mystical titles used by imposters such as "pipe carrier" or "ascended master
keeper of the sacred whatever". Instead you'd find very mundane titles like daycare counselor
or fire department supervisor. Also, keep in mind that there is frankly no good reason for
any tribe to send out "tribal spokesmen" to sell ceremonies to Europeans. What possible good
could that do for Native people back in their communities? The only exceptions I know of are
cases where tribes sent people to the larger nation-states they are part of (e.g. the US,
Mexico) to petition government leaders. In those cases, think of them as lobbyists more than
spokespeople. And since no European nations have any governmental jurisdiction over Native
peoples anymore, it is pure nonsense to imagine alleged "tribal spokesmen" in Europe.

If someone claims to be a spokeseman, immediately contact the tribe they claim. If they are
actually enrolled, their community will have more than a few angry words for them. And if
they are imposters "playing Indian" they might face legal action.

Pipecarrier

It sometimes seems that virtually anyone who knows how to build a website or charge for a
weekend seminar claims to be a "pipecarrier." The number of alleged "sacred pipes" being
marketed as symbols of spiritual authority or authenticity by New Agers and would be shamans
has reached epidemic proportions, and may soon literally outnumber the actual number of
living Lakota people.The number of genuine sacred pipes is actually quite few, perhaps a
couple or a single one per band or tribe. Perhaps the most famous Lakota scholar of all
time, Vine Deloria Jr, says there never was any such position as "pipecarrier" among the
Lakotas or any other people. There were, however, elders or holy men who had other duties
as well. But the title of "pipecarrier" is fictitious, invented and used by outsiders. Why
on Earth would anyone just give up or hand out like candy at Christmas time objects which
are highly revered with a great deal of sacred meaning?

Can you imagine someone claiming to be a rabbi going around handing out Torahs like they
were party favors, or to anyone who paid a fee? Can you imagine how ridiculous it would
be if someone said "Yes, I'm not Jewish, but trust me, I'm a rabbi. Here's the proof, a
Torah that was given to me after I paid $999.95 for a seminar from Chief Silly Name."

Anyone confronted with an operator who claims to have a sacred pipe should immediately
ask themselves:

1) What tribe are they claiming, and what do the members of that tribe think of them?
(Do not hesitate to contact the tribal offices if you have concerns, or Native activists.)

2) If they claim to be of a tribe, why aren't they serving the needs of that tribe instead
of making money off of white Americans and Europeans?

3) Why would anyone entrusted with sacred items be using them to make money? Shouldn't
they have more respect for traditions?

Anyone calling themselves a "pipecarrier" and using an alleged sacred pipe to sell
ceremonies or appear legitimate is someone to be scrupulously avoided. Immediately
contact tribal offices or Native activists. If you suspect any laws are being broken,
contact the police as well !!

Drum Journeys

I don't know of any Native culture that uses the phrase "drum journeys". The term, as
best I can tell, was solely used by outsiders in academia, particularly anthropologists,
to try and describe the altered state that long periods of drumming can bring. Then the
would-be shamans jumped on the term and now use it for marketing, to impress the gullible.

Native Name

1) Naming is a serious thing with a deeply spiritual process in every Indian tradition
I know of. It's not casual or done for entertainment.

2) You can not just choose a name yourself. It must always be done by others and you must
have earned the right to that name according to the specific traditions.

3) The person giving you that name must be an Elder or other person who has been assigned
that duty by long tradition.

4) There is a naming ceremony which goes with being given the name in every tradition I
know of.

5) In many traditions, your Indian name can be taken away if you fail to live up to the
obligations that name carries.

6) In many traditions, your Indian name should not be revealed to others.
Stereotypes.

“Teach me spirituality and I'll put out for you" "Are you 'heap big' down there?" Yep,
we really do hear these things. Stedman's Images of the Indian talks about how the appeal
of the image of an Indian male for many white women is that he's seen as extremely
vulnerable, threatened because we are supposedly "vanishing" or "near extinction". So
we have to be "saved" by white women, supposedly, whose descendants will then have
legitimacy in this land (the US) to take over without any feelings of guilt. That
explains why the Indian male is always shirtless or near nude and often actually wounded
or threatened by violence on those romance novel covers.

And then there's the whole sexual appeal of a supposed "savage". Up to the mid 70s there
used to be a subgenre of novels in the US, Indian rape stories where white women were
kidnapped and repeatedly raped by Indian "savages" and grow to love their rapists.
Anything weird you can imagine has probably been projected upon Native people by some
whites at some point.

How do you find out if someone is a fraud?

Oh, it's amazingly easy to prove who is a fraud most of the time. Just ask their community.
Someone waving crystals and claiming women have to put out to be healed is pretty obviously
not legit. The only ones that might be difficult to prove are what you might call "former
elders" or "lapsed elders".

Here are some more things that could tell you that a person is not what he claims to be:

1) Real elders, spiritual leaders, or whatver they are claiming to be do not engage in
petty personal attacks on their critics.

2) They do not get their inner circle to threaten lawsuits or legal action at the slightest
criticism. If their character and actions are good, this alone will win out and be a shield
for them from their critics.

4) For that matter, they don't immediately send out members of their inner circle to
infiltrate and try to disrupt places on the net where they are criticized.

5) Real elders don't claim to be trained in other tribal traditions than their own.

6) They also would not mix and match Indian and pagan traditions and then turn around and
deny it.

7) They would not use their (alleged) Indian blood to win acceptance or as a badge of

legitimacy.

Why can't they be prosecuted with current laws? If they are fraudently taking money from
people, it would seem that the current laws would work for that. I tried asking that to
a lawyer. He told me that it's a catch-22. if you know or suspect they are a fraud, then
it's your own fault for giving them money. And like in a lot of confidence games, victims
are often too embarassed after the fact to come forward.

The laws against frauds do exist, to an extent. You can successfully prosecute a fraud for
some things unrelated to the actual fraud, such as extortion, assault,etc. But prosecuting
someone for falsely presenting themselves as a medicine person is rare.Mostly because of
ignorance on the part of cops and DAs that prosecuting them would violate the 1st Amendment.
And a lot of Indians don't want the feds or states involved.

What we're talking about are laws aimed at the frauds or Nuage leaders, not at the followers,
no matter how gullible, naive, or well intentioned the followers might be. I don't think
going after Nuage followers is the right approach. They're usually victims themselves.

Incidentally, on some sacred sites on public lands, the Forest Service does ask that non-
Indians stay away during ceremony times.

I don't want to see them regulate anyone's belief either. That's theoretically prohibited
by the 1st Amendment. But the Free Exercise clause does allow for regulation of practices.
They can and do bar animal sacrifices and polygamy for example. (On a sidenote, I don't
agree with the ban of either of those, unless the sacrifice is unusually cruel or the
polygamy is forcible or involves the underage.)

All of this is a longer way of saying there shouldn't be 1st Amendment protection for
fraud. I'd just like to see the feds treat these frauds the same way they'd treat a
con man who claimed to be a rabbi or minister.

What can be done if you know someone is a fraud?

You can hand out flyers at his little event, explaining your objections to people and
urge them to be respectful and not pay money to a fraud. I've found that it's pretty
easy for just one person to hit them in the pocketbook and cut their take by a third
or more. Sometimes the protests get to them so much they even eventually leave the
pray-for-bucks game.

You can write letters to the editor of the local papers urging people to stay away. You
can also talk to whoever is hosting him and ask them to reconsider. If you write up a
flyer, we'd be glad to help you put it together or give you tips, critiques, etc. It is
always possible to approach the tribal council of each tribe to check if the person
conducting a ceremony is legit or not.

Please report all fraudulent operators to Native activist groups such as NAFPS.

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They call us 'Indians'

This part above is Al his contribution to the book "They call us Indians"
which is written by several Indian activists; Mike Two Horses (Lakota) who
unfortunately died tragically during the work with this book, Deanna Beacham,
(Weapomeoc), Larry Lilly Branham ( Monacan ), Trisha Jacobs ( Cherokee ),
Steve Russell ( Cherokee ), Andrew Thomas ( Navajo ), Hastiin Niz Begay
( Navajo Elder), Nabahe Keediniihii ( Navajo ), Judith Armbuster (Karuk)
and Martha Ture who is non-Native.

More info on this book and how to order it you'll find on Annika Banfield
her website: http://www.world-foundation.nu/

And these are addresses of NAFPS website:

http://www.nafps.net

http://newagefraud.org/

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